Do steroids help Barry Bonds hit home runs?

by Thor on May. 17th, 2006
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Barry Bonds: Barry Bonds took his cuts at the plate at a home game in San Francisco on May 13 while he was in pursuit of Babe Ruth's mark of 714 career home runs. What role do steroids play, if any, in his home-run hitting efforts?Courtesy DPiperII
Barry Bonds: Barry Bonds took his cuts at the plate at a home game in San Francisco on May 13 while he was in pursuit of Babe Ruth's mark of 714 career home runs. What role do steroids play, if any, in his home-run hitting efforts?
Courtesy DPiperII

Barry Bonds (at least at the time of this posting) is still one home run shy of tying Babe Ruth’s 714 career home run total. Down the road is Hank Aaron’s all-time record of 755 home runs.

Due to Bonds’ prolific home run hitting of late and growing investigations tying the San Francisco Giant slugger with potential use of steroids, more and more people are questioning if his attempt to pass these time-honored baseball marks is legitimate.

While many people on moral grounds want to dismiss Bonds’ achievements because he might have used an illegal drug, would steroid use really help him hit more home runs? Does more muscle equal more distance on a flying baseball?

Those are very tough questions to answer with purely scientific data. Baseball players of different eras were facing different pitchers throwing different balls in different stadiums. And within the game of baseball, there’s more support than you might think that Bonds’ achievements have more to do with pure baseball skills than possible increased muscle mass due to steroids.

Star Tribune sports columnist Pat Reusse put that question to several current and past Minnesota Twins during spring training. And what they had to say could be surprising to anti-steroid purists:

"The truth is, there were so many guys taking steroids for a few years, and they couldn't hit like Barry Bonds. In my opinion, a guy hitting with a corked bat is taking a bigger advantage than someone who was on steroids,” said Twins outfielder Shannon Stewart. "If Bonds was doing all of this ... you still have to hit the ball. He still was going to hit 40 or 50 (each season), with or without steroids."

Maybe you’d expect such a comment from a current player looking to come to the defense of a colleague under siege in the court of public opinion. But what does a former baseball legend think? Here’s what Tony Oliva, former American League batting champ and current hitting consultant had to say:

“I hope baseball can soon stop talking about steroids. What I do know is the ballparks (today) are smaller and the ball is harder. I know those are two reasons for more home runs. Maybe steroids were the third reason. I don't know.”

Hall of Famer Paul Molitor chimed in with this take on the situation about Bonds’ late-career home run surge:

"As much as it might appear to be overwhelming evidence on the surface -- alarming physical transformation and a mysterious upgrade in power later in a career -- it's not a black and white issue. It's very strong speculation, but it's still speculation."

So what does it take to hit a home run? Reflecting back on the vintage film showing Babe Ruth at bat, he was by no means a chiseled athlete. Yet he had the knack to be the premier home run hitter for much of the game’s history. And Hank Aaron, the current career home run king, wasn’t Goliath, either, and was known for his all-around ability to play all phases of the game.

An essay by Robert Nishihara has an interesting take on the home run/steroids question. He turns to the book The Science of Hitting by former Red Sox great Ted Williams, considered by man to be the best all-around hitter to ever play the game, to define what it takes to hit a home run.

Writes Nishihara:

“A good hitter must identify a pitch to hit, know enough about the pitcher and the game situation to give himself the best chance to succeed, and put hands and hips into motion to drive the pitch. Nowhere does Williams mention that muscle mass aides in any of those critical elements. Williams, himself, of course, was rail-thin, and yet, he managed to crank out 521 career homers.”

“Sure, added muscle mass may increase the distance a player is able to hit a baseball, but what negative effect does that added mass have in altering the fluidity of the player's swing and, thus, his ability to hit the ball in the first place? A popular baseball refrain cautions fast players who have deficiencies in the batter's box that one cannot steal first base. Similarly, a power hitter cannot hit a home run if he cannot hit the ball. And hitting a baseball is a unique skill in the world of sports. It is a powerful act that does not require extraordinary muscle strength. Instead, it is primarily dependent on technique, reflexes, and hand-eye coordination, not brute strength. It is a correlation that so many people are failing to make these days.”

On top of that, many of the players to be disciplined in the last couple season for steroid use have been pitchers. If you believe steroid use helps a player hit the ball farther, then did steroids also help a pitcher throw harder? Would that make it harder for a player to hit a home run?

In my mind, all of these questions raise even more questions as to the impact steroids have on the records and performance of the game. Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating using illegal drugs in sports, but their impact on the game and its records isn’t as clear as things might seem on the surface.

What do YOU think?

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Your Comments, Thoughts, Questions, Ideas

Anonymous says:

If every one thinks it's his baseball skills then why dosent just stop taking Steriods then we would know the truth.

posted on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 10:55am
Anonymous says:

How do you know he's even taking steroids? Bonds has passed every test, and he is still putting up the numbers. We can't make him stop taking steroids if we arent sure he's taking them.

posted on Thu, 05/25/2006 - 1:40pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

There is significant circumstantial evidence, both in the book and in his career.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 7:12pm
Anonymous says:

Would you like to be convicted of a crime based upon circumstantial evidence or would you rather the jury make a decision based upon actual proven facts?

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 12:08pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

We're not talking about a crime; we're talking about the integrity of the sport.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 11:19pm
Anonymous says:

he is the second best hitter of MLB. a one year old can figure that out

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:03pm
Anonymous says:

You are just a Bonds hater jumping on the bandwagon, the foundation of law in this country is innocent until proven guilty. And nothing he does can be explained by any magic potion!!! The man is supremely talented FACE IT!!

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 2:07pm
Anonymous says:

The only reason he has passed the tests is because we do not yet have a reliable test for most of the banned substances.

posted on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 11:22pm
Anonymous says:

Stop saying EVERYONE has done steroids. If EVERYONE did there would be players with more homeruns than Bonds. Maybe 1 of 5 at best. It does help strength and power. A higher battting average is a better indicator of hand eye coordination, and he isn't even in the top 60! A cheater, period and a disgrace. Any parent that lets their kid wear a Bonds shirt should be shunned. Real baseball fans don't stick up for him, just like Hank Aaron isn't.

posted on Sun, 05/27/2007 - 5:13pm
Anonymous says:

Hey, there is no test for HGH.

posted on Sun, 06/24/2007 - 10:25am
Anonymous says:

he should have sued the game of shadows bynow thats why he is guilty

posted on Sun, 08/12/2007 - 3:14pm
Anonymous says:

i m a teacher and i do not approve of sterioids

posted on Mon, 04/02/2007 - 11:05am
Anonymous says:

amen sister

posted on Mon, 05/14/2007 - 3:16pm
MIKE RILEY says:

The steroids help Barry Bonds because at 230 ibs of steroid muscle he now can hit normal fly balls out of the park that were outs when he was at 185lbs at Pittsburg. If you look at his stats from 2000-2004 his homers went drastically up at an age when players lose their skills. His first 10 years in the National League he went above 40 homers once. Why couldn't he hit more homers then when he was young and at his peak then all of sudden comes to the Giants meets with Balco and now is hitting more home runs late in his career. Imagine if Hank Aaron used steroids the last 10 years of his career. He would have hit over 800 homers! Bad over all pitching and smaller parks do play a part but if Bonds played his entire career at 185lbs like he did his first 10 years in baseball his homer total would be around 550-600 homers. Imagine Babe Ruth on steroids. He would of hit over 900 homers!

posted on Thu, 04/19/2007 - 6:18pm
Stephen L. says:

What does steriods do for the human body?
Does it make you more superior physically and mentally?
What a wonder drug! Right.
Maybe it could increase my ability to get all A's in my college classes. Or at age 52 I could make my long time dream come true and play major league baseball. Someone in the hierachy knows exatly how the supplement/illegal drug enhances the human body. Now remember someone always knew exactly how it worked on the human body.
It's the media that believed that it was vital that the public should be led to believe that the poor ole handsomely paid sports figures and the poor ole sports fans have been some how cheated out of their dose of reality. Get a real life. It was once call a supplement sold at most health food stores and is now illegal - it was illegal all along. A lot of money is being made up and down the food chain. Lets get it corrected now. Everyone has benefited enough, i.e., big business, media, the athletes and the fans. Steriod use is illegal. Put a permanent fix in place and move on. Get our young folks and the rest of the public educated on the facts surrounding the effects of its use. Barry Bonds is no less a cheater than Babe Ruth. I understand that he was a heavy drinker in his day. He probably used a lot of illegal substances in his day just to make it to the game the next day. It is very easy to judge an issue. But just consider all of the variables to any issue past or present. Nike has a slogan just do it. Here is my slogan - Steriods - Don't do it never - ever.

posted on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 5:53pm
Anonymous2123 says:

ur so right barry bonds isnt on steroids. He passes all of his tests and the only reason people say hes on steroids is because hes homeruns went up as he got older. WELL WHY COULDNT THE MAN HAVE JUST STARTED WORKING HARDER. wheneveer a man starts to do better when others are doing worse in this country you call him a cheater. And you can tell hes not on staeroids because no matter how strong you are if u dont hav good hang-eye coirdination than u wont hit anything. You cant be a punk on steroids and hit 73 homers in a season!!!

posted on Thu, 03/20/2008 - 12:02am
Anonymous says:

first of all, how do you know hank aaron didnt take steroids. second, your bringing weight into the issue, 185 for pirates when he was a rookie to 230 now for the giants, wow 45 pounds, i know a few people that gained up to 75 pounds in one year, your saying that the weight means hes taking steroids over 10 years, your funny. you must not know much about sports, i dont know one baseball player that didn't gain wait since they were a rookie.

posted on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 10:02pm
Anonymous says:

Mike, between the ages of 18 and 40 I gained 35 pounds with a lot more muscle. As a basketball player, my shooting technique, rebounding and defense was much better at 38 than it was at 20. It was experience and knowledege of the game that made me a better player. According to your theory I must have have improved by using steroids, but I've never touched them or any other enhancing drug or substance.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 12:19pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

Gaining weight between the ages of 18 and 40 is hardly surprising -- many boys who are string beans as teen muscle out in their early 20s (or pig out...not mentioning any names...)

You do not say what level of basketball you play. An amateur, playing neighborhood pick-up games, could certainly gain skills over 20 years of play that would compensate for the inevitable slowing down of the body, since he is playing against other amateurs with lower skill sets. At the professional level, the skill set for even the youngest player is much higher, and thus there is much less room to improve with age.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 11:23pm
S.Redmond says:

That is a very silly and childish question, the reality is that your opinions have probably been fueled by the media. There is a very coordinated campaign to diminish what Barry Bonds has done over the course of 22 years. The reality is that despite the intense scrutiny he has never TESTED POSITIVE FOR STERIODS!!! And let's say that he did use them, why is he the only one to benefit so incredibly from them??? Do you belive that he is the first and only player to use those substances?? In reality Bonds true genius is that he see pitches better than anyone in the game, and his discipline at the plate is unparalleled.... He is the most dangerous hitter in the game for many reasons other than steriods.... Because trust me if that was all it took, everyone would be hitting 45 homers, have an .800 slugging percentage and go to the Hall of Fame... The media hates this guy because he is not a smiling coon !!! None of that has anything to do with his gift for hitting a baseball ,and at age 42, with all you haters on his back, and 2 bad knees he is still forcing pitchers to walk him in the 9th inning with the bases loaded!!!

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 2:04pm
Anonymous says:

I am no expert but I have lifted for many years clean. I have gone from 130 lbs. at 5'10" benching 95 lbs, 6 times to 188 lbs. and benching 225 for ten reps (arms from just over 10 inches to just over 16 inches). However, this took good diet and about 10 years to accomplish this, not one year (from 21 to 31). Guys at the gym have tried to convince me to become one of the "big guys" and put on a lot more muscle this year with some "supplements." I have personally witnessed guys I have kept pace with explode with muscles and strength in just a few months. A good cycle on a "clean" body and pack on muscle like you would not believe. A former training partner went from a 225 bench to 315 for ten reps in three months. At the same time he went from 190 to 220 lbs in weight. Of course he is all natrual, just like Barry Bonds - NOT. To each his own, Barry has made his own decisions which he will now have to live with for the rest of his life. If you have not noticed, his health as of late as not been all that great - and the guy is not that old! He will probably have issues for the rest of his life but it was his choice to make. It is true steroids will not make a non-athlete an all pro baseball player, but it will take a great athlete in his 30s and enable him to do a lot more damage hitting the ball than otherwise naturally possible.

posted on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 10:45pm
Anonymous says:

alot of people that take steroids cant hit a 95 mph fastball but bonds can. plus most pitchers are taking steroids too.

posted on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 9:15am
Anonymous says:

what can steriods possibly do to help hit homeruns? if you got a body builder that uses steriods or any kind of drug to help improve their mass could they go out and hit a homerun or set many records. i dont think so. bonds has always had the ability to hit the ball out of the park of have that beautiful swing not only that he has the knowledge of the game. it takes more then to just go up and swing. a true baseball player would know what im talking about. you have to know the count or what the pitcher has to pitch or what he has thrown in the recent at bats. maybe bonds is possitive to steriods but come on we all know or we all should know that they dont help to hit the ball further. many guys have took steriods but some how bonds hits 756 and its not him its the steriods that he took. makes no sence! all of bonds years he has been hated by the press and had presure from the world but still have the abillity to put up records such as the ones he has now. give the guy some credit. half the people that are hating on him dont have a clue how to play the game just how to throw and catch. they need to sit down and watch some tapes to figure out what it really take! dont have hate the player just hate how good he is!

posted on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 3:35pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

True -- muscles alone do not a home run hitter make. But muscles are crucial. If a player is already a good hitter, then steroids can give him that extra added "oomph" to turn a long fly out into a home run. Compare Bonds AB/HR stats before and after the period he is suspected of using steroids. Yes, he was already a great hitter. But overnight he became an unprecedentedly insanely great hitter.

posted on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 4:13pm
Anonymous says:

his record shouldn't count - it is tainted, Whethr or not steroids actually affected his hitting ability, is not he issue because he clearly thought they would help. Sort of cheating and not a very good example of what an athlete stands for.

posted on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 2:03pm
Anonymous says:

no then he is not doing it on his own it is steroids that is doing the the work

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:04pm
Anonymous says:

hello but i think barry bonds is doing it all by himself without steriods

posted on Thu, 06/15/2006 - 3:45pm
Darren Cherwonuk says:

Hello: You say that Barry Bonds is doing this all on his own. I dont think so. look at his numbers since 1986 for the 1st 4 years Barry,s numbers were very small, his great mumbers are since 2001 when he hit 73 prior to that his best season was 45 late 2000 was when he started taking (HGH) Human Growth Hormone, the Cream and other things that are undetected. Look at his body. I dont think he got that way from working out. Those Muscles are all from Steroids, Barry,s face carrys more water than Shamoo the Killer Whale, his Hat size has grown twice the size in the last 5 years. Barry,s Bonds records should be erased and when he passes Hank Aaron their will be an asterick next to his name. Thankyou Darren

posted on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 10:07am
Anonymous says:

tru dat

posted on Thu, 05/17/2007 - 1:00pm
Anonymous says:

His hat size went up 1/4, not double. That's from the front page of the SF Chronicle, which clearly has every reasont to keep its facts clear and will take every opportunity to advertise weaknesses in Bonds's case if it has them. When you make up your "facts", your whole argument loses all credibility.

posted on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:25pm
Anonymous says:

Steroids do not allow your eyes to see a small round object coming at you at 95 miles per hour. Steroids can't make your brain send an electro-chemical signal to your nerves and muscles that tell you when to swing the bat to make a connection. By the way, have any of you Bond bashers considered something as simple as a weight room? I heard a crazy theory about theis new thinbg called weight training, maybe you've heard of it.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 12:29pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

Lots of players aged 40+ can still see the ball and swing the bat. But in normal human development, muscles weaken with age.

Weight room have been around for decades. But there was only a brief period of about five year when Bonds (and a number of other players) suddenly started hitting everything in sight. If weight training were the answer, then everybody would be hitting 60 - 70 home runs, every year.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 11:27pm
Anonymous says:

If muscle and taking steroids to boost muscle is all it takes to hit homeruns why is it that Magnuson isnt recruited to play baseball? Or for that matter ANy of the WWF guys that are 6' gazillion weigh in at 400+ pounds and are rock solid with like 8% body fat? I mean if its purely about muscle and no skill is involved, then wouldn't every major league team go after every Huge muscle guy out there?

I mean, would The Rock hit 60 a year? I mean come on he benches over 350 and I bet 95% of the MLB cant do that.

If you continue to think it has anything to do with muscle for hitting a home run then continue to debate the steroid issue. FOr those wise enough to know that muscle and steroids for bulking someone up with more muscle has NOTHING to do with it then we can end this debate once and for all.

Bonds is the greatest hitter probably you will ever see when it comes to home runs. Just because he wasn't mr nice guy throughout his career they want to hang him.

The greatest hitter of all time was Ty Cobb, but he doesn't get that credit because the guy was a jerk. Check his stats, no one touches his hitting overall.

The fact is, Muscle has NOTHING to do with it so arguing whether he did or did not take steroids is just stupid.

In addition, should we throw out every record because medical science has advanced the training techniques of all modern athletes and effectively lengthened their careers and put records in jeopardy of ANY game? I mean if a guy gets Tommy John surgery and then gets 300 wins (see Tom Glavine) should his wins count? Because after all there was no such surgery back in the day and who knows how many wins Sandy Koufax might have had.

Training, medical science, and the ability to make yourself a more honed athlete has grown in the past 40 years by leaps and bounds. Steroids was just part of that progression or regression in some views. If you want to say steroids has changed the game, then you better start pointing fingers at the Nautlius equipment they have in their locker rooms and the state of the art training facilities and saying, "Wait... is any record officially broken given the modernization and ability of medicine to extend athletes careers and/or make them faster, stronger, etc.?"

Flame on

posted on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 2:08am
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

I don't believe anyone has argued that muscles are the only factor in hitting home runs. To argue that muscles are not a factor at all is ludicrous.

posted on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 9:32am
Anonymous says:

Are you Crazy?! Barry Bonds was probably the best current player in baseball anyway! His record should count!

posted on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 5:27pm
Anonymous says:

Barry Bonds is a cheater & a liar. He is not the greatest. Pete Rose is the greatest hitter. Thankyou

posted on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 7:00am
Anonymous says:

LOL! I'm a Bonds-hater too, but to say Bonds is a cheater and then talk about Pete Rose...LOL!!!!

posted on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 12:09pm
Anonymous says:

His records should be erased, because he is a cheat.

posted on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 12:37am
Anonymous says:

well if his homeruns shouldnt count i think they should cuz...!!!think about it he still has to hit the ball he still has to make contact with the ball!!!he is one of the best hitters alive in the mlb!!!!

posted on Sat, 02/24/2007 - 1:57pm
henry cooler says:

No der.

ruth did it on beer and hotdogs and aaron did it in class.

bonds did it on steriods

posted on Mon, 05/22/2006 - 12:57pm
Anonymous says:

babe ruth did all on beer and hot dogs and that is not steroids he is doing the work

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:06pm
Russell Balest says:

I examined Bonds' statistics and wanted to note one trend during his career that is strangely overlooked. That trend is simply this: Bonds' statistics generally got better and better each year starting from his debut in 1986 and culminating in 2004. One dubious analysis I saw pointed to the fact that during Bonds' first 6 years, he produced a home run every 23 at-bats, while during his last 6 years ( presumably the years he was using steroids), he was suddenly able to produce a home run every 9 at-bats. The glaring ommission was that during the middle 6 years of Bonds' career he produced a home run every 13 at-bats. In other words, the trend is a continual year-over-year improvement which began with his first year in 1986 and not a sudden 'quantum leap' that occurred because he popped some pills one day. In fact, with regards to that particular statistic, the change during the 2nd third of Bonds' career is more dramatic than the change that occurred during the most recent third of Bonds' career. Look at the data yourself.
References:
http://blog.zmag.org/node/2536
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bondsba01.shtml

posted on Mon, 05/22/2006 - 8:58pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

That is actually considered evidence of his steroid use. As a person ages, their reflexes get slower, and they lose muscle mass. It is unprecedented for a player to improve so dramatically at an age when, physiologically, his skills should be deteriorating.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 7:14pm
Anonymous says:

You probably could not name 4 actual steriods excluding testosterone if your life depended on it.. Steriods have never been shown to improve reflexes or reaction time.... You like the majority of the media are basically saying that Barry Bonds had discovered the fountain of youth during his late 30's and early 40's... Excluding the 73 homerun season, he has always hit homers in a range attained by lesser players.... It is his slugging percentage and walks, and the ability to see the ball that puts him into the stratoshere when it comes to talent. Just admit that you have no definitive proof and stop allowing the media, John Mcain and all the rest of the people who would have you think steriods are the worst threat to national security out there to mold your very limited perceptions.

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 2:19pm
<em>Liza</em>'s picture
Liza says:

I think you underestimate Gene. :)

Barry Bonds is obviously a talented player. But while steroids may not improve reflexes or reaction time, they WILL help you hit the ball further when you do connect with it.

I do agree with you, though, that a Congressional hearing on steroid use in Major League Baseball seemed crazy. Don't our leaders have more important things to worry about?

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 2:32pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

As noted in the infamous soccer thread, your last comment is the syllogistic fallacy of the illicit major. In brief, you say:

  • "Other things" are important.
  • Steroids in baseball is not one of those "other things."
  • Therefore, steroids in baseball is not important.

Even if we accept the premise that other things are more important than steroids in baseball (and, OK, I guess they are), it does not mean that steroids are not important or unworthy of Congressional attention.

If you wish to argue that steroids are not a matter for Congress to consider, you must argue from merit, and not merely from comparison.

posted on Sat, 05/19/2007 - 9:56am
Anonymous says:

There should be two leagues: dopers and non-dopers.

posted on Sun, 07/29/2007 - 12:19am
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

Estrogen, progesterone, androgen, testosterone.

It is true that, excluding the 2001 season, Bonds never hit more than 49 home runs in a season -- a number that has been bested many times. However, Bond's peak years of production, 2000 - 2004, came when he was 35 to 39 years old. Hitting this many home runs so late in one's career is unprecedented:

  • In 130 years of major league history, only 11 times has a man aged 35 or over hit 45 or more home runs. Bonds did it five of those eleven times. Ruth did it twice; no one else did it more than once.
  • Since turning 35, Bonds has hit 300 home runs. The next-closest is Aaron with 245.
  • Bonds is the all-time leader for home runs at ages 36, 38 and 39, and is second all-time at ages 35, 37 and 41. At earlier ages? He doesn't exist. He's 7th all-time at age 28 (46 homers in 1993), but doesn't even crack the top 10 at any other age.
  • Prior to age 35, Bonds hit one home run every 15.68 at bats -- an extremely good rate. Since age 35, he has hit one ever 8.77 at-bats -- almost unheard of. (Ruth averaged 1 homer per 11.76 AB over his career, and never did better than 1 in 10 during any 5-year stretch. The record is held by Mark McGwire, another suspected steroid user: 1 home run per 10.61 AB over his career, and 1 in 8.13 during his five peak years.)

In short, this kind of home run production this late in his career is a clear indication that something is up with Bonds.

posted on Sat, 05/19/2007 - 9:49am
Anonymous says:

Does an increase in HR production show a clear indication that there is something up?
If you look at Hank Aaron's numbers, you'll see that there was not a drop off in HRs until he turned 40. And his HR production at age 35-39 is better than before he turned 35.
age 20-34: 1 HR in 17.4 AB
age 30-34: 1 HR in 17.6 AB
age 35-39: 1 HR in 11.8 AB
How much different are these numbers from Bonds' numbers?

posted on Tue, 06/19/2007 - 4:59pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

Significantly. From age 35 to 39, Aaron averaged one home run per 11.82 at bats. Assuming 500 AB per year, that pace works out to a respectable 42 home runs per year. During those same ages, Bonds averaged 8.22 AB / HR, which would work out to a record-obliterating 61 homers per year, every year, for five years. (Due to injuries, Bonds did not have that many at bats. We're looking at averages here.)

After age 39, Aaron aged as baseball players tend to do. In his last three seasons, he averaged 1 HR per 25.62 AB. Bonds, however, has continued at an unnaturally torrid pace: as of mid-June, 1 HR per 12.91 AB, almost twice as hot as Aaron -- or anyone else in the long history of the game.

Something's not right.

posted on Wed, 06/20/2007 - 2:13pm
ThE fRiEnDlY sTrAnGeR says:

Bonds is a tank, whether he is on steroids or not he's still going to hit those homers. Sure if he is on steroids it gives him the advantage for distance but he still has to be able to pick his pitches and he can do that no problem thats why he's at where he's at.

posted on Tue, 05/23/2006 - 7:43am
Anonymous says:

steroids look how huge he is

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:07pm
Anonymous says:

What year was steroids and muscle enhancing drugs made illegal in baseball??? Has it ever been determined that Barry took steroids, let alone after steroids were deemed illegal in Baseball??? Barry has an amazing swing and form... that is why he hits home runs. Tainted, I think NOT..

How can you say The Babe did it on Beer and Hot Dogs... The Babe took every possible drug out there during his time in Baseball. Different times, different game, different drugs... You can not say Babe or Hank did it on pure baseball skills while saying Barry did not. No one can say what The Babe or Hank took or did not take while playing the game of Baseball.

If and when Barry passes Hank for the Home Run Title... It is truly an amazing feat that should be recognized for what it is... not with an asterisk or anything else...

posted on Tue, 05/23/2006 - 9:08am
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

Hot dogs and beer are not performance-enhancing drugs. ;-)

To my knowledge, no one has ever accused Hank Aaron of breaking any rules of the game.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 7:16pm
Anonymous says:

As great as the numbers Hammerin Hank put up.He was pitched to check out his at bats compared to Bond's.There are only 2 members of the 300/400 club and both are named BOND'S.Go further and Barry is a CHARTER member of the 400/400 club as well as something we may never see again,500/500.Get real the man has talent,Ya wanna pick on somebody go after SOSA who never did anything until he started juicing himself and his bat!

posted on Sat, 06/03/2006 - 6:11pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

Aaron played in an era where stolen bases were rare. He was in the top 10 in the league 8 times; Bonds made it 9 times. As for home runs, Aaron was in the top ten 18 times; Bonds only 14.

posted on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 3:34pm
Anonymous says:

how many other players can say theyve been in the top ten in home runs ONLY 14 times...?

posted on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 9:53am
Anonymous says:

no they are not that is the best way to get fat and out of shape

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:09pm
Anonymous says:

Hello: What have you been Smoking. Barry Bonds records should be erased. Thankyou Darren

posted on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 10:16am
Anonymous says:

His amazing swing only started the last six years of his career, after he put only about 40 pounds of muscle overnight, and that means steroids, so he really is not that fabulous.

posted on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 12:39am
Anonymous says:

Steroids does not put everyone on the same level! It helps an individual peform better at what they are already good at. Humans were not cteated equal! If they were, then everyone would have been hitting the same amount of homeruns,with the same batting average, and pitchers would all have the same amount of victories with the same earned run average or as stats post as era. If you want to know about steroids, don't ask the baseball players. I would ask someone in the weightlifting field. No basball player would ever admit to using them, even if they did. I have a lot of respect for Jose Canseco for bringing this out in the open. When Sammy Sosa broke his corked bat during the game, he could not lie about it, because everyone seen it including the umpire. If that had not happened, we would not have known that he used a cork bat during the game.
It's time for the baseball players to come clean. And as for Barry Bonds. He would most likely have had a great career, but no record breakers. During the last decade, STEROIDS have definately been a major factor in statistics of many players.

ALL STATISTICS IN THE LAST DECADE SHOULD BE IN ****.

posted on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 9:11am
Anonymous says:

yeah it does

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:10pm
DT says:

Like Barry Bonds, Neil Armstrong, was accused of using performance enhancing drugs. Like Bonds, Armstrong denied this and passed tests that he was subjected to. Unlike Bonds however we do not hear all and sundry call for Armstrong's acheivements to be dismissed. Nor do we see the American public calling Armstrong a cheat. Hmm, I wonder why?

posted on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 12:49pm
Anonymous says:

I assume you're writing about Lance Armstrong, the cyclist who won seven Tour deFrances. He was just exhonorated by an international sports commission investigating if he had used steroids. After reading his book, I do know he admits that his body has benefited from some of the drugs used to treat his cancer, but those drugs are not steroids and are not banned by sports associations. Plus, I don't think any of us would want to go through cancer to imporve our athletic abilities.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 6:23pm
Anonymous says:

armstrong is not using steroids bonds is the one screwing him self up

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:12pm
Anonymous says:

Neil Armstrong was one of the best hitters NASA ever had.

posted on Thu, 05/24/2007 - 11:13am
brian P says:

How can you say that?
Neil Armstrong was one of NASA's best sluggers!

posted on Thu, 05/24/2007 - 11:21am
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

I think the reason we don't hear much about Lance Armstrong's supposed steroid use is because bicycle racing is not a major sport in the United States. Baseball, OTOH, is the National Pastime. Thus, Bonds receives a great deal more attention.

posted on Thu, 05/24/2007 - 2:44pm
Anonymous says:

The assumption is that if Bonds used steroids he had an unfair advantageby creating an uneven playing field, therefore his record is invalid. If that's the case then all records and accomplishments of white major league players who played before major league was integrated should have all of their records invalidated. They had an unfair advantage because they didn't compete against ALL of the best players available, the Blacks, Hispanics, and Latinos who were excluded.
Have they forgotten about Buck Leonard, Satchel Paige and others?

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 12:04pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

No, for two reasons. First, it wasn't the players' fault. It was the owners who refused to allow blacks into the majors. (There were Hispanic players.)

Second, this did not give an unfair advantage to any individual player. Every player experienced the same circumstances.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 11:30pm
Anonymous says:

I didn't say anything about whose fault it was. The white players collectively failed to take a stand against the policy, therefore they supported and benefitted from the policy. Nonetheless, they didn't compete against all of the best talent.

posted on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 2:34pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

Fault is implicit if you're proposing to delete individual records. "Separate but equal" was the law of the land at the time, and as unjust as it may seem to us today, it is equally unfair to penalize players for obeying the law.

posted on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 8:07pm
JAck Black says:

For 1 people that are saying "ruth did it on beer" beer was illegal in ruths time due to prohibiton so we might as well scratch all his records right?? People always say "look at him in his 1st year and look at him now ,hes so much bigger" GUESS WHAT that was 20 freakin years ago, 20 years ago i was 4 ft tall now im 6'2" i didnt take steroids, he did not suddenly blow up it was quite gradual over the years try working out for 15 yrs then lets see if u get bigger or not....

posted on Sun, 05/28/2006 - 6:55pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

I'm going to go out on a limb here. If 20 years ago you were 4 feet tall, and today you are 6-foot-2, then I'm going to guess you are about 30 years old. ;-) It is not at all unusual for someone to grow rapidly between the ages of 10 and 30. It is remarkably unusual for someone to bulk up as much as Bonds did (and Sosa, and McGuire) between the ages of 30 and 40 -- unless they had some chemical help.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 7:19pm
Anonymous says:

no he had the money to buy it

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:13pm
Haley says:

Barry Bonds is so fake! Everyone knows that he is taking steroids. Who could be stupid enough not to see that! They say that he has been tested and that he didnt have them in his system but i think that those tests are wrong! I think that every MLB player should be tested for steroids because no one wants a fake to be a star! If anyone does still like Barry Bonds, my advice is to not like him and start liking Albert Pujols, he is a great home run hitter that doesnt take steriods!

posted on Sun, 05/28/2006 - 9:18pm
Anonymous says:

There is no evidence at all to say that barry has takin steriods, so i think everyone should stop having there opion about the big guy, praise how good he is, he has to be able to hit the ball before get any distance on it, praise him for how good he is. Isnt it innocent until proven guilty??? there has been no real proof until then just let him do what he does best.

posted on Wed, 05/31/2006 - 8:30pm
Anonymous says:

He might be innocent until proven guilty but i believe a guy's hat size does not increases by a couple inches unless he is taking something.

posted on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 11:20pm
Anonymous says:

yeah he is on steroids

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:16pm
Anonymous says:

well no duh hes a loser he sucks at baseball and furthermore at life he should be banned from baseball

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 2:20pm
Anonymous says:

Well that was an enlightening comment...

Barry is a great talent , but, the bottom line is he wouldn't have had this "longevity" if it was not for HGH and other performance enhancing drugs. Wheather or not he benefitted from steriods in a baseball sense is not the problem. When you take HGH, you do "cheat " mother nature and your body benefits and does not age in a natural way that a non drug taking player has to contend with. You benefit and have an unfair advantage that drug taking players do not have. This point makes it necessary to put an asterisk next to his accomplishments no matter how great a talent he is.

posted on Wed, 05/30/2007 - 1:46pm
Anonymous says:

You probably don't like Bonds because he is not " Mr Nice Guy" Respect the mans talent and accept that steriods do not make you hit a a baseball, If they did I would be in the majors right now instead of sitting at a crummy desk job responding to idiocy and media driven hatred of a truly gifted and dynamic athlete. You probably think Jose Canseco tried to out everyone because he had a crisis of conscience!!

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 2:32pm
Anonymous says:

Steroids would help him heal faster. The older you get the longer it takes to recuperate. If you play back to back games include travel time, your sleep suffers. Your body heals and grows only when you sleep. The Meds/Roids help make up the difference. They can only play Pro for a limited amount of years and the body sooner or later gives out. Roids are not the magic potion everyone makes them out to be. They work but only shave a few years off you training, You look like a ten year builder only after seven years. You still have to lift the same amount of weight as the ten year builder you just heal a little faster between workouts so you can squeeze 4 workouts instead of 3 per week. Multiply that by 7 years and you bigger. No magic just simple math and lots of hard work. Even with roids most don't make it. As for Mr. Bonds good work. Now you can retire and give those bones a well earned rest.

posted on Sun, 05/28/2006 - 9:41pm
Anonymous says:

he is using it for more muscle

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:15pm
Anonymous says:

All of yall that say taking steroids helped Barry Bonds to hit home runs are idiots!! Take some steroids and try to hit a 90-100 mile per hour fastball 400 ft. Do any of you guys even know that you still have to work out to build muscle on steroids. I mean America cant be this stupid. Ya'll are all racist and don't want to see the black man rise twice over the beloved Babe. I tell you what all of ya'll old people that don't like him because of steroids stop watching baseball baby because before Barry Bonds started getting close to Babe this was a boring game. Matter of fact I bet all the critics of Bonds don't even bring up the fact that Mark Mcguire was doing the same thing. This country celebrated that record. "Baseball is back" was being chanted by all. But shame on the black man for working hard and hitting home runs. Barry crushed Marks whimpy home run record. Just truly use the little common sense that America has now-a-days and tell me this is not one hell of a feat. Quit being some damn Iraqi terrorists and watch baseball. Leave Barry Bonds alone.

posted on Wed, 05/31/2006 - 6:30pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

I doubt race has much to do with it. Critics bring up McGuire and Palmiero all the time. And I haven't heard anyone mention Hank Aaron being black in some 30 years. I think it has more to do with Bonds not being a very nice person.

Baseball has always been a wonderful game -- the most perfect invention of the mind of man -- but during the steroid era it actually became quite boring. All strategy took a back seat to showy but aesthetically empty home runs.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 7:22pm
Anonymous says:

no i am not look at him when he started playing MLB and look at him now

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:19pm
Anonymous says:

How did this get to be about racism? You have a problem, don't blame everyone else for your problems. There are just as many other races on this list as Bonds. He is a steroid user buddy. How else do you explain a sudden, overnight 40 pound muscle gain. The good fairies of the north, visited him one night a waved their wands and wham instant muscle. Get real. Them there are steroid muscles, which means Bonds is a cheated and a liar.

posted on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 12:45am
Donaldo says:

Bonds is a low life cheater, plain and simple. Read the book. Yea, right. A player in the last days of his career goes from a previous high of 46 home runs in one season to 73. Yea, that's right, just a few more reps in the weight room. And what of the recovery time from injuries? He is a complete joke. He has sullied what would have been a brilliant career. He just couldn't stand the fact that that Sosa and MacGwire, both cheaters, were getting more attention than him. While I'm at it, there is simply no power hitter like the Babe. He hit a fungo 447' for Christs' sake. He hit the old dead ball 425' as an eighteen year old school boy. And don't forget that Aaron had nearly 4,000 more at bats than Ruth, Bonds over a thousand more. Babe can be measured only against his peers, but what a comparison. One year, he alone hit more home runs than any other team in the American League! He is unquestionably the greatest player in history. No doubt you all remember Walter Johnson, a.k.a. "The Big Train", the King of the shutout (110 in his career). As a pitcher for Boston, Ruth went up against Johnson nine times. He won six of the nine and three of his victories were shutouts!
Trivia: Who hit the first home run in an All Star game? Who stole home a total of nine times, which is more than Lou Brock in that department? Who hit the the first home run in Yankee Stadium? Who was the first player to hit 30 home runs? 40? 50? 60? Who was the first player to hit three home runs in a world series game, twice? Who was the first player to hit one out of the Polo Grounds? Who hit one completely out of Forbes Field in his final year of play? Who was the first player to hit four home runs in a world series game? Which pitcher's record for consecutive scoreless innings pitched in the world series lasted for over forty years? Who hit .625 in a four game series?
I think you all know the answer. It was the Colossus of Clout. The Prince of Pounders. The Behemoth of Bust. The Sultan of Swat. The Maharajah of Mash. The Wali of Wallop. The Rajah of Rap. The Caliph of Clout. The Wazir of Wham. The one and only, the Bambino. The Big Bam. THE BABE!

posted on Wed, 05/31/2006 - 8:25pm
Anonymous says:

yes he is cheating with his little friend steroids

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:21pm
Anonymous says:

Hello; It looks like you have been reading your Sports history, from what you have said in your comments, which i'm sure that they are true, then i would have to say that Babe Ruth was the Greatest home run hitter of all time. If you think about it Aaron had 4000 more at bats than Ruth and Bonds 1000 more. The Babe,s HR to AB Ratio is much higher than the other 2. Babe Ruth is the greatest. Thank you Darren

posted on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 10:44am
Anonymous says:

You sound to me like one of those Caucasions who does not want to accept the fact that the all time homerun leaders are two brilliant Black men.. I am tired of hearing about a fat drunk who played in the early 1900's the reality is that Barry Bonds is the greatest all around hitter the game has ever seen. You need to face it and find another sport that crude white men dominate ie (Hockey)

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 3:15pm
Anonymous says:

I'm getting sick and tired of people saying this is about race. People have made really good points and its just that you don't have anything better to say than "You can't accept that the best HR hitter in baseball is black." No one said anything about not liking Barry Bonds because he is black. You are telling the people with good points not the judge him before they have good evidence, yet you are judging them, saying they are racist.

posted on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 1:28pm
Anonymous says:

Does anyone realize that a more important issue regarding the use of "illegal steroids" in this country has to do with how many COPS and PRISON GUARDS take them in order to bulk up? It is a huge problem, because it contributes to increased police brutality/guard misconduct and even wrongful death cases involving officers who are too aggressive.

posted on Thu, 06/01/2006 - 2:42am
<em>Liza</em>'s picture
Liza says:

This is an interesting and provocative comment. But you don't cite any evidence. If you back up your facts by citing a source, your argument will be much stronger.

posted on Thu, 06/01/2006 - 11:59am
Anonymous says:

i am doing a debate on steroids being cheating on sports

posted on Thu, 06/01/2006 - 10:59am
Thomas Wagner says:

i say that bonds is a cheater but there shouldnt be an asteric. he would still have at least 500 hrs w/o steroids.

posted on Thu, 06/01/2006 - 11:23am
Anonymous says:

yeah he is a cheater

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:23pm
Anonymous says:

its all in his head taking steriods gives him a physcological edge

posted on Thu, 06/01/2006 - 11:28am
Anonymous says:

yeah

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:24pm
Anonymous says:

If they don't help why is nobody hitting 65 or 70 home runs anymore?

posted on Tue, 06/06/2006 - 12:38am
Anonymous says:

yeah they do look at barry bonds

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 2:25pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

That is not correct. Since 2001, Bonds has not hit more than 46 home runs in any season.

In the three seasons between 1999 and 2001, players hit 60 or more home runs six times. No one has hit that many since. In fact, in the last five seasons, only three players have hit as many as 50.

posted on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 3:43pm
Anonymous says:

as bariod bonds would say,"I diddn't do nothin'

posted on Tue, 06/06/2006 - 11:31am
Anonymous says:

While it is true that you must be a great hitter to hit a major league homerun, people forget that almost every hitter in major league is a great hitter. Bonds, with or without steriods, has always had a quick bat and been a great hitter, maybe one of the best. For someone to state that steriods doesn't help you hit homeruns is foregoing this fact. Steriods wouldn't help me hit homeruns, because I would never even make contact with a major league fastball. However, for major league hitters, steriods could add 50 to 100 extra feet of ball flight. Take an average 30 homerun hitter, and add 50 to 100 feet onto everyone of his hits. How many of those pop-flies and long-liners turn into homeruns? (20-35) But to be fair, who is the bigger cheater? Maguire looks like he was taking steriods or HGH for most of his career. Bonds looks like he started in 1999 to even the playing field. It is a documented fact that he scoffed at Maguire's record by saying, "I am ten times the hitter he is!" In my opinion, Bonds has been a much better hitter than Maguire in their careers. Once they were both on the juice, it was evident that the better hitter has more homeruns.
What is sad to me is not that Bonds passed Ruth, but if he passes Hank Aaron. Aaron had to go through so many issues and ignorance when he established the record. I think it would be disrespectgul to Aaron, who did it the right way and with class, to be replaced by a cheater, who acts like a jerk!

posted on Sat, 07/15/2006 - 1:56am
Anonymous says:

Even if he is taking steroids it doesn't help him with all of his home runs. Even though steroids build muscle it dosent help u hit the ball and if you cant hit the ball you cant get any home runs.

posted on Sun, 08/20/2006 - 8:48pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

Perhaps not, but steroids DO help you hit the ball further.

posted on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 7:55pm
William says:

I juice up in college ball and it helped me hit the ball harder and further and added 5 mhp to my fastball. So how it doesn't help I'm not sure. And if the guy isn't juicing up, why's his trainer refusing to testify. An innocent man would testify. But he's covering Bonds.

posted on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 7:53pm
Anonymous says:

Did you ever think that you gained more power in college and a faster fast ball because you were in college, and getting older. You know how many people I know who started hitting harder in college and most pitchers fast ball goes up until they are between 20 and 22. My best friend added six miles an hour in one year from learning better technique and the long toss drills. Trust me he wasn't juicin.

Ya the juice probably helped you but chances are you would have gained 3 or 4 miles per hour on the fastball anyways, and college practice would have def made you a better hitter than you were in high school.

posted on Mon, 08/27/2007 - 10:48pm
Anonymous says:

Bonds is a Cheater, Chumps.

posted on Mon, 09/18/2006 - 8:08pm
Anonymous says:

Im writing a paper about do steroids enhance performance?
I have read some comm